PieFed.caBanned from Manufacturing Consent for correcting numbers
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Community description for ManufacturingConsent is "when the media decides who you are rooting for." So, being banned for questioning their narrative strikes me as absurdly funny. I mean, I guess if the idea of the community is that geneva_convenience should decide whom you root for, that would track.
The post in question: https://piefed.ca/post/266435
(I pointed out that the Guardian was probably including the hostages who died after the attacks. This really bugged OP and led to a ban.)
I don't really care for a remedy, seems a silly place. Just thought it was funny as heck.
(For what it's worth, like most, I side with Palestine but I think being accurate lends credence to our cause.)
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Being upset over a difference of 61 is pretty dumb in and of itself. It’s less than 6% discrepancy even if you don’t count hostages killed in Gaza.
There’s plenty of occurrences of media manipulation around this conflict, this doesn’t even register on my radar at all. Like “Oh I was just a few dozen deaths short of having sympathy for Israel”
Being charitable, I’m wondering if they were trying to criticise the guardian making no distinction between soldiers and civilians killed on October 7th.
What’s confusing is that it felt like MyBrainHurts was doing a gotcha on a gotcha, and then it fell down a rabbit hole from there.
But more than that…
Like, I don’t think MyBrainHurts is being deliberate in the language, but “one kid dies in the commotion” rings a big “cop-talk” alarm bell. The whole argument feels dumb and petty, hashed out by two people with no control of the horror in the outside world. And because of the vacuum of activism that is the internet, they waste their time snipping at each other rather than finding a better use for their restless energy.
To each their own! I just wanted an analogy where I was pretty sure they would want to take the other side.
(It just seems wild to me that geneva’s arguing that the kidnapped people shouldn’t count in the totals.)
I don’t even read that much. Just seems like they’re sniping at one another over semantics and vibes.
This is really well put and cracked me up.
Conflating the Palestinian resistance with ICE is pretty damn creepy in my book.
I read it and I don’t think it wasn’t conflating them, I think it was just a simile. Granted, I think OP was wrong here and the simile didn’t track because of it, but still, the ICE mentions could’ve been swapped with something entirely separate and the conversation would remain the same because it wasn’t a direct comparison.
If they swapped the comparisons with something appropriate - for instance, MK capturing white South Africans to trade for the thousands the Apartheid-regime kidnapped and disappeared - their point stops looking so obvious, doesn’t it?
Similes are rhetorical conflations. A conflation is generally an attempt to treat two similar ideas as roughly the same, which is the rhetorical purpose of a simile. If you didn’t see the comparison between the two events and want to link the ideas in the audience’s mind you would use different examples.
Tl;Dr the rhetorical act of comparing presumed like to like is usually a rhetorical act of conflation
Kidnapping civilians is unequivocally bad regardless of whether we think the kidnapper is on the right side of history.
Being unable to acknowledge the wrongs committed by those whom we support is pretty damn horrifying in my book. To see the same willfully ignorant "america/trump/the church can do no wrong" attitude but on the Left breaks my heart.
Do you think Israel are the good guys in this situation?
Ignoring that they have Gaza as an open air prison, they have magnitudes more Palestinians in prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinians_in_Israeli_custody.
Did you mean to respond to another comment or did you completely miss the point?
Edit: to put it more politely... The entire above point is that rhe evil of Israel's war does not change whether murdering and kidnapping civilians is wrong.
See this reinforces the removal you’re complaining about.
What you miss is at this point Israel has been ICE the entire time
Do you not understand why going into a thread about bias in reporting to make Israel look good then blaming Palestinians and equating hamas to ice would be frowned upon?
Read what you are responding to but carefully.
Just because it’s not the answer you want doesn’t mean it wasn’t read or said carefully.
Gotta love when people come in here acting like the innocent victim and then take their mask off in the comments.
Really? We literally are forced to exist with taxpayer-funded institutions whose entire purpose is to kidnap civilians as part of their function to repress dissent - they are called police.
Fyi, I am absolutely conflating the institution of policing with that of Israel - it’s perfectly justified as they are both colonialist and white supremacist creations.
Besides all that, Israel - like all colonialist entities - have, since it’s invention, made little secret of the fact that they de facto make zero distinction between “civilians” and “combatants.” Therefore, I see no need to hold the Palestinian resistance to the high standards that white liberalism have refused to apply to Israel for decades now - especially when the crimes (if they can even be called that) the Palestinian resistance have committed is downright microscopic in comparison to those perpetrated by Israel and it’s benefactors for more than half a century now.
Just so I understand, it's totally cool and heck, probably good for Hamas to murder as many Israelis as they can but simultaneously, we are embarrassed about accurately counting the killed?
What are you counting so “accurately,” Clyde? Do you have an “accurate” tally of all the Israelis the IDF slaughtered on Oct 7 because murdering Palestinians is far more important to them than keeping their own people alive?
Don’t feign ignorance… seems to me that you know exactly what you are doing here.
If you look at the actual post you’re commenting on, you should be able yo figure it out, I have faith in you Bob!
Then you sould have no problem providing us with these “accurate” numbers of yours, shouldn’t you?
Fuck off zionist
Okay, hope you feel better friend!
Edit: missed a pair of words, like a jerk!
It is always bad unless it is Israel who does it
That's literally the opposite of the point to which you are responding.
You ain’t fooling anybody
Are you sure you're responding to the comment you think you are? Maybe double check?
It’s not you, it’s Lemmy.ml
.ml is a strange little place.
Yes meanwhile on grad is
Lol can’t imagine why a group of people or their supporters (which you now fall into) would want to spread scurrilous remarks about another group whose purpose is to document their toxic extremism.
The entire point of that community it specifically to instigate harassment.
Do you think describing it this way makes not look like an odd place? This just reinforces it
So says every extremist to have ever had evidence documented against them. I linked a megathread with extensive collected evidence that you have consistently refused to even look at, because you’re too busy blindly defending a toxic ideology that praises authoritarian regimes.
So of course you’re pulling a page from the authoritarian handbook and calling something setup to document and provide evidence against them every name on the book to discredit it. Classic.
Til pointing out how bad the optics of a place are makes me an authoritarian.
Bonus it’s in a thread where someone actually discrediting those pointing out news orgs supporting authoritarian Israel
That’s geneva_convenience for ya. Avoid .ml communities like the plague, they’re not very tolerant of any form of dissent. Geneva likes to paint a lot of people as Zionist without good reason.
I really should keep an eye out for those comms and just avoid. At least any of the vaguely political ones!
(Just Manufacturing Consent feels like a trap designed for me as Chomsky’s thoughts on this are super relevant and interesting so, like a fool, I fell into the trap.)
Yes you should stay out of political comms with your garbage opinions. Glad that you realize this.
You’ve spent almost 20 minutes randomly commenting in this thread, surely you have something better to do?
Technocrit does this in every thread. Nothing new, he just likes to stir the pot.
Ahhh, good know, thanks! I've added the appropriate tag. (A groovy feature I did not know piefed had until today.)
Gotta stay in the safe lib zones where your indoctrination won’t be challenged by a different but very similar indoctrination.
… Do you actually not see the irony in posting this in a thread about being banned from a community called Manufacturing Consent for noting a mistake?
That’s kind of amazing, thank you.
geneva_convenience has the personality of a piece of mushy toilet paper that somebody with diarrhea wiped twice with.
YDI, You’re not really correcting numbers but speculating. And again it’s worth noting that many if not all zio detainees were killed by zionist attacks. Many of these murders were far after the initial resistance. The ICE comparison is really weak and gross.
So the article is misleading and you’re just feeding into it with more propaganda/speculation.
They’re even in here doubling down on it
There’s the “day of” death total provided by OP. There are hostages, taken in the attack who died as a result of being taken hostage. These two numbers, with some margin of error, give the casualties listed by the Guardian.
To declare the hostages as somehow being counted differently is as stupid as ignoring radiation poisoning when counting the casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
If you want debate as to whether whoever deserved what, you can do that with someone else. But your gross perspective does not change the number of deaths that resulted from October 7th.
ZIONIST DOWN!
what did you do that has piefed warning me about you, I wonder? it only does that for shitty people.
Had the wrong political opinion, I’m guessing
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geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
lemmy . ml - there’s a big part of the problem right there
nah, in this case the .ML is the least of the problems. geneva_convenience is just an absolute shitshow of a person with a horrendous personality.
You can read it
You have been sorted into the category of evil person by the mod and are banned because of that. Truth or facts don’t matter.
When you support settler colonialism you are evil
Reality, my arch nemesis!
Your problem is a mod who doesn’t give a fuck about the people of Palestine but uses every single inch to cry about the west being bad. Also gets comedically angry when disagreed with.
Just tag with “do not engage” and you’ll be safe. Other than that there is nothing that can be done really.
Oh absolutely, like I said, I really don't care, I just found the irony hilarious.
Edit: though great point about the notes, happily discovered piefed has that feature too! Much appreciated!
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The what?
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Cheers?